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Siri · Guest

Jürgen Rohwer (and Howard's website) lists a torpedo from U-763 as the cause for the loss of this ship. All my Norwegian sources (incl. the captain's report - see www.warsailors.com/singleships/ringen.html ) blames the sinking on a mine. I'd just like to confirm whether Cordes actually identified the ship as Ringen in his KTB?

Siri

Siri · Guest

Note that the link will receive an error message, because the parenthesis ) has ended up as part of the link - the page can be viewed by removing the ) in the url.

Siri

Howard · Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 10:41 pm Post subject:

I fixed that link, clicking on it should work now.

cheers
Howard

Guest · Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:33 am Post subject:

Hi Siri

MINE!!! Read Rohwer again, he shows RINGEN sunk on 4th too. One of the many errors in u-boat history occuring by just copying from books instead of using original documents. Congratulations, you are one of the few asking for the bachgrounds. Cordes shot a spread of three LUT torpedoes on 5th at a couple of steamers. The boat heard a detonation after 3.42 minutes, but was not able to observe the scene by periscope. Some time later Cordes just saw the convoy in confusion and som debris in the sea. For me his attack was a failure. (see KTB BdU 1st half July 44, U-763 mission report)

Best regards
Roland Berr

Howard · Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:51 am Post subject:

Siri · Guest

Roland to the rescue again!! Thanks! (appreciate your fixing that link, Howard).

I wonder if you have a different version of Rowher, Roland - I cannot see anything that indicates Ringen was sunk on the 4th in my version.

Siri

Hubertus · Crew Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Posts: 224 Location: Australia

in my Rohwer (1983) page 183 shows,
Ringen sunk by U-763 on 5th/1803. convoy ETC.26.

Herb. Confused

Roland Berr · Crew Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Posts: 143 Location: Germany

Hi all

How to read Rhower?! Look at column 9! Here is clearly written 04/

Best regards
Roland Berr

Howard · Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 2:53 am Post subject:

There are two different editions of Rohwer involved here I think. Furthermore, there are two different columns that can be read.

In my edition (1999)
Page 182:
Column 1: 05/1803
Column 9: 04

In my edition, column 1 represents the date/time of commencement of the attack, according to the U-Boat's KTB, in CET.
Column 2 represents the time of sinking - "as far as possible converted to GMT (CET)"
The dates certainly don't tally in my edition.

cheers
Howard

Guest · Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 8:53 am Post subject:

Hi Howard

Mine is from 1999 too. Read the explanatorry notes at the beginning of the book. Coilumns 1 -8 shows the u-boat, 9 - 15 allied vessels. Date of hit given for RINGEN is undoubtable the 4th!!! This coincides with the report R's captain gave! I dont know what devil has ridden Rohwer, bringing this two vessels in contact. RINGEN definatly vanished more than 24 h before U-763 started her attack.

Best regards
Roland Berr

Guest · Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 10:24 am Post subject:

Yes that's how I thought the columns worked, I think after this discussion I will amend my page for U 763. Interestingly Busch & Röll also have U 763 as sinking RINGEN.

Thanks everyone!

regards
Howard

Siri · Guest

Yes, I realize column 9 shows the 4th - there are many cases in Rohwer where the date in this column (based on allied reports) differ from the date in the first column, but I've found that this usually appears to be due to different time zones used in the various reports (not in this case though).

I thought you meant that Rohwer had another entry for Ringen for the 4th, based on German reports (first column), further up on the page.

Siri

Guest · Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 4:37 pm Post subject:

Hi Siri

Think about the location of the incident, off french coast, so there is no possibility for different times just one hour for german summer time, which is one hour at least. We have a difference from about 34 hours in this case!

Best regards
Roland Berr